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shupe03a4
I wanted to do a quick recap of my trip last Sunday to cache creek.
Friday i was talking on the phone with my buddy. Both of out girlfriends were going to be out of town for the weekend, so we made our plans to screw around on Sunday. I wanted to go to a live casino and try betting the way suggested to me in my other post about going to Tahoe.
We rolled out of the east bay area about 8am and got to the casino about 9:30, good time.
I had stated to my friend that my reason to going was to play craps, that's it. I wanted to go sunday because i knew it would be a $10 min table on sat night.
Sure enough the craps table was already going with about 5 people playing and yes $5 min.
The sign on the table was '5-500' and nothing else, so i bought in for my 200 BR and asked what the table odds were. The dealer replied that it was 3-4-5. Did not matter because of the BR, but i was curious.
Played for about three hours total, at any point i was never down more than 80, and after it was all done i had came up by 97 when i colored up. My win goal was 100, so i call that close enough and toss the dealer the two dollar chips.
The play i used was close to what was Rec by the other members, but new for me as i had become used to playing pass+1x+place 6/8, this time i did PL+1X+2 comes1x ea.
If the point was made i had to decide whether to let the come bets ride out or add more, and if i was up, I would add one for a total of 4 working #'s. Worked out....mostly.
As per the advice from this board, i asked to keep my come odds working during come outs, and this did make me nervous....lost a couple times and won a couple times. Keep the faith, in the math that is! So i will prob do that more, but not if running low on chips.
Another thing i did that was out of my norm was to tip generously, I have read many comments here about this subject, and to be truthful i used to only tip the 'boys' was when i sometimes would play the hardways at 1/ea and 1 for them. Toss in a red.
This time was much different though, after hitting two points, I played 1PL followed by 1Xfor them.
the first time i did this it won, and i felt more respect from the dealers. Over the three hours I did this 7-8 times and it won 5 of those, plus I also did hard 10/4 two way for $2 only when it was the point. This hit for them also! It did seem to raise the dealers enthusiasm for the game, and i liked that. Also knowing that because of me they had another 30-40 in tips.
So, all done it was a great day. Left ahead, tried new things, and added close to 100 to the Tahoe BR. Sorry about rambling on here, should I have just put this in blog??
My advice to anyone reading- Try something new, but remember the Wizard's signature.
Doc
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  3. Craps is a dice game in which players place wagers on the outcome of the roll, or a series of rolls, of a pair of dice. Players may wager money against each other (street craps, also known as shooting dice or rolling dice) or a bank (casino craps, also known as table craps).

Inspired by getting back into discussing Craps after the death of rec.gambling.craps and registering here, yesterday evening I drove out to Cache Creek Casino in Yolo County, CA, to play a bit. The last time I was there, on a Saturday night, they had the minimum at $10. I prefer to play $5 and put more on the odds bets.

My first thought upon reading your post was, 'Is there a California casino that has a 'real' craps game, or is this some version of card craps?' So I went to the casino's web site, to their page for table games, and found that they don't even list craps of any kind as a game that they offer.
Next, I downloaded a copy of their gaming rack cards, and, sure enough, they list rules for craps. In the fine print, it just says 'Dice do not determine the outcome. See game for details.'
So what's the full story?
shupe03a4
Yes, it is based on cards.
One red die, Faces odds, 1,3,1,3,1,3
One Blue die, Faces even, 2,4,2,4,2,4
Higher number displayed is the card turned over, three cards dealt, top sluffed, and one card in red box and one card in blue box, whichever die shows a higher number indicates which box for the dealer to reveal.
My friend hates this version, and i prefer the 'real' thing, but this works fine. I think it's 8 decks of A-6.
NicksGamingStuff
Their cards have pictures of the dice on them, so there are 36 cards for the 36 possible dice combinations.
Doc
Thanks for the clarification. I have played that version of card craps someplace in California.
If the game is to be card craps, I really prefer the version in which the shooter rolls two standard dice. The box man has six cards, Ace through six, that he shuffles for each new shooter and then places them in six rectangles on the felt marked one through six. When the dice are rolled, they dictate the two boxes (or just one box in the case of a double), and the card(s) in the box(es) indicate the value of the roll. It is essentially equivalent to rearranging the pips on the faces of the dice with each new shooter. Rearranging the pips makes it more complicated for someone who thinks he can control/influence the dice, but the feel is very much the same as a real craps game, and the dealer has less frequent intervention in establishing the outcome.
I can't remember which California casino had that version when I was there. I have also played the version in which there are no dice at all, just cards that are shuffled and revealed.
ThatDonGuy

My first thought upon reading your post was, 'Is there a California casino that has a 'real' craps game, or is this some version of card craps?'


I am fairly certain that there are no tribal compacts in California that allow for 'real' craps (or 'real' roulette, for that matter), although I think electronic versions are allowed (that is, if you consider electronic craps 'real'). When they first allowed 'house-banked' blackjack, it was such a big deal in terms of news that I expect that any similar authorization of craps or roulette without cards would have the news widespread as well.
Doc

I am fairly certain that there are no tribal compacts in California that allow for 'real' craps (or 'real' roulette, for that matter), although....


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Understood. When I read the 1st post, there was no mention of cards, and the poster sounded as if he had developed more enthusiasm for the game than I have been able to develop for card craps, so my mind began some wishful speculation. A little investigation mostly crushed those hopes, but I needed verification.
TIMSPEED
Doc,
Where are you in Cali?
Jackson Rancheria has craps most similar to REAL craps..second to Barona in San Diego County...
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
shupe03a4
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Doc - Sorry to give you false hope. I don't mind the card version, but some people do.
I would prefer to go to reno/tahoe, but that place is close to home, not too far for a day trip.
NicksGaming - Thanks, i was wrong above, they are pics of dice on the cards
Timspeed - Why do you like jackson best? is it better somehow or just the game structure?
I have played cache creek, thunder valley, and river rock, but none of the Socal ones, or jackson.
I have plans to hit up lakeside inn per the recs here.
I can hardly wait, Tahoe bound in ~48hours. I'm going to work late tonight and try to earn an extra hundred or two, can't hurt right.
TIMSPEED
Jackson is close to me...and its the closest thing to REAL craps at any norcal casino...now in SoCal its more common...
Lakeside inn will be great fun..just remember to keep the boys on the line for $1 and $5 in odds and they'll treat you like a king!
Gambling calls to me...like this ~> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nap37mNSmQ
FleaStiff
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I think the most important think is to tip promptly...that way the floorperson who will be rating you tends to notice you a bit more than he might otherwise do and also that the dealers will surely wake up and pay attention to you. Even if it is a low tip, it shows you have potential. And if a relief dealer taps in at your end of the table if you started out tipping the crew, the relief dealer is likely to be told 'number 3 is our friend' so the relief dealer will know that player number three tips and deserves a little extra attention. Its nice to tip as you leave but I think the benefit of the tip will be gained if you tip earlier.
Yes, shoes relates to backing up a Dealer's Line Bet with Odds that are for the dealers also. I think it is in poor taste to make a line bet and not back it up with odds but it happens frequently and some really cheap souls try to make a line bet for the dealers but back up that bet with odds for themselves. I heard the term shoes used when an ecstatic stickman noticed my odds bet and called out Dealers Have Shoes.
DrEntropy

I generally make a few two-way hardway bets early on, just to let the dealers know I am a tipper. I have noticed very little tipping out at Cache Creek, so they really appreciate it. Another thing I have occasionally done is to set a dollar of my odds bet behind a 4 or 10 aside. If it wins, the dealers get it and the $2 payoff attached to it. When I leave, I hand in any singles I have left.
Cheers,
Alan Shank


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How do you do this ? I often place less then the maximum odds and would like to be able add a buck or two of odds for the dealer. (if the point is 4,5,9,10. If the point is 6/8, I might want to do something else)
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Are you allowed to go over 3/4/5 if it's a tip?
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RaleighCraps

Are you allowed to go over 3/4/5 if it's a tip?


No
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PeteM
I agree with Fleastiff, an early tip gets the dealers' attention. It has made a difference as to how my action is tracked by the boxman and the dealers. The rest when I color up, or if I'm tapped out, they get the last red as a gesture to the gods of luck.
DJTeddyBear

How do you do this ? I often place less then the maximum odds and would like to be able add a buck or two of odds for the dealer.

Just put the odds down as two stacks next to each other, and mention that the shorter stack is 'for the boys'.
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cclub79
Quote: DrEntropy

How do you do this ? I often place less then the maximum odds and would like to be able add a buck or two of odds for the dealer.

Just put the odds down as two stacks next to each other, and mention that the shorter stack is 'for the boys'.
Or I just put the tip slightly off-center on the odds. If they ask, I tell them it's theirs. If they don't, I just give it to them after they pay me.
derik999
When I'm placing a bet for the three guys/gals or whatever combo is there, they always seem to tell me where they want their bet placed, which is usually the passline. Theoretically if I'm up half of my initial bankroll ($100 is my limit) I'll bet $15 bucks, split three ways of course, and at first I placed $15 in the field, but now I place $5 on the passline and $10 on the odds. I guess they think I'm hosing them if I play the field. I can see them wanting to play the passline odds if the point is 6 or 8 of course. A couple times I've placed a bet in the field and one of the guys will move it to the passline without asking me. I'm not sure if this is a faux pas on their part or what.
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RaleighCraps

When I'm placing a bet for the three guys/gals or whatever combo is there, they always seem to tell me where they want their bet placed, which is usually the passline. Theoretically if I'm up half of my initial bankroll ($100 is my limit) I'll bet $15 bucks, split three ways of course, and at first I placed $15 in the field, but now I place $5 on the passline and $10 on the odds. I guess they think I'm hosing them if I play the field. I can see them wanting to play the passline odds if the point is 6 or 8 of course. A couple times I've placed a bet in the field and one of the guys will move it to the passline without asking me. I'm not sure if this is a faux pas on their part or what.


The dealers are just like the rest of us, they want to win their bet too. And since the field is a lower percentage bet, the dealers would prefer their bet goes on the pass line.
However, I do think it is poor taste for a dealer to move the bet you made for them.
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DJTeddyBear

The dealers are just like the rest of us, they want to win their bet too. And since the field is a lower percentage bet, the dealers would prefer their bet goes on the pass line.

It's more than that. Not only is the line bet more likely to win, if it's a line bet, you're more likely to throw a buck behind it too.
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Some casinos will round UP the odds on dealer bets. I.E. $1 on the line, plus $1 odds will pay $1 plus $2 no matter what the number was. Not all casinos do that, but some do. Those that do will also pay 2:1 for $1 dealer place bets. That's one way to beat the 1.41% house advantage. (Hear that Tutti?)
Quote: RaleighCraps

However, I do think it is poor taste for a dealer to move the bet you made for them.

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I could not agree more.

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But before you put out a field for the dealer, you may want to ask what their preference is, and/or ask what a $1 PL plus $1 odds on a number other than 4/10 would pay.
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